From rybin@possum.srcc.msu.su Tue Oct 21 04:52:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from ida.org by cronus.csed.ida.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id EAA06620; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 04:52:53 -0400 Received: from mail.acm.org by ida.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11414; Tue, 21 Oct 97 04:53:29 EDT Received: from sw-eng.falls-church.va.us (ns1.sw-eng.falls-church.va.us [199.75.54.2]) by mail.acm.org (8.8.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id EAA27650; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 04:56:54 -0400 Received: from crocus.gamma.ru by sw-eng.falls-church.va.us (8.7.1/) id IAA29818; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:49:19 GMT Received: from srcc.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by crocus.gamma.ru (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id MAA29824 for asis-comment@sw-eng.falls-church.va.us; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:52:30 +0400 (MSD) Received: by gamma.srcc.msu.su; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:51:41 +0400 Received: by possum.srcc.msu.su (UUPC/@ v5.09gamma, 14Mar93); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:43:35 +0300 To: asis-comment@sw-eng.falls-church.va.us Message-Id: Organization: Information Systems, SRCC, MSU From: "Sergey I. Rybin" Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 12:43:35 +0400 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v.1.36] Subject: Is_Defaulted_Association Expected kinds list Lines: 17 Content-Length: 793 Status: OR I think, An_Array_Component_Association should be removed from the Expected Association_Kinds list of Asis.Expressions.Is_Defaulted_Association. An_Array_Component_Association can never be in the normalized form, and it can never have any default expression passed for an arrat component. By the way, An_Array_Component_Association is not included in the list of expected kinds for Asis.Expressions.Is_Normalized, so why should it be included for Asis.Expressions.Is_Defaulted_Association? Another comment - probably, we also should remove from the list of expected Association_Kinds for Asis.Expressions.Is_Defaulted_Association A_Discriminant_Association and A_Record_Component_Association, because they also can never have default expressions (even though they can be normalized) Sergey From sblake@sd.aonix.com Thu Oct 30 16:05:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from ida.org by cronus.csed.ida.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA29925; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:05:23 -0500 Received: from mail.acm.org by ida.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12628; Thu, 30 Oct 97 16:06:01 EST Received: from sw-eng.falls-church.va.us (ns1.sw-eng.falls-church.va.us [199.75.54.2]) by mail.acm.org (8.8.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id QAA25982; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:07:43 -0500 Received: from gw.alsys.com by sw-eng.falls-church.va.us (8.7.1/) id VAA12081; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:00:01 GMT Received: from rasht.sd.aonix.com (mailhub.alsys.com) by gw.alsys.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA15743; Thu, 30 Oct 97 13:02:03 PST Received: from puumba.telesoft by rasht.sd.aonix.com (4.1/TS-1.2c) id AA12395; Thu, 30 Oct 97 13:01:33 PST Received: by puumba.telesoft (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA20648; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:01:32 -0800 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:01:32 -0800 From: sblake@sd.aonix.com (Steve Blake @pulsar) Message-Id: <199710302101.NAA20648@puumba.telesoft> To: asis-comment@sw-eng.falls-church.va.us, rybin@possum.srcc.msu.su Subject: Re: Is_Defaulted_Association Expected kinds list Content-Length: 1007 Status: OR I agree with Sergey's comments. Steve ------------------ >From rybin@possum.srcc.msu.su Tue Oct 21 02:26:18 1997 To: asis-comment@sw-eng.falls-church.va.us Subject: Is_Defaulted_Association Expected kinds list I think, An_Array_Component_Association should be removed from the Expected Association_Kinds list of Asis.Expressions.Is_Defaulted_Association. An_Array_Component_Association can never be in the normalized form, and it can never have any default expression passed for an arrat component. By the way, An_Array_Component_Association is not included in the list of expected kinds for Asis.Expressions.Is_Normalized, so why should it be included for Asis.Expressions.Is_Defaulted_Association? Another comment - probably, we also should remove from the list of expected Association_Kinds for Asis.Expressions.Is_Defaulted_Association A_Discriminant_Association and A_Record_Component_Association, because they also can never have default expressions (even though they can be normalized) Sergey From roby Tue Dec 9 16:23:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by cronus.csed.ida.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA06624; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:23:29 -0500 From: roby (Clyde Roby) Message-Id: <199712092123.QAA06624@cronus.csed.ida.org> Subject: Re: Is_Defaulted_Association Expected kinds list To: rybin@alex.srcc.msu.su (Rybin) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:23:29 -0500 (EST) Cc: roby (me), Colket@ACM.Org (Currie Colket), SBlake@Aonix.Com (Steve Blake) In-Reply-To: from "Sergey I. Rybin" at Oct 21, 97 12:43:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1703 Status: OR Sergey, To satisfy your issue, ASIS Issue #085 (included below), we think the following changes should be made to the ASIS Specification: 1. In 17.26 Asis.Expression.Is_Defaulted_Association, An_Array_Component_Association should be deleted from the list of Expected Association_Kinds. 2. In 17.26 Asis.Expression.Is_Defaulted_Association, A_Discriminant_Association and A_Record_Component_Association should be deleted from the list of Expected Association_Kinds. If we do the above, then should we also delete the Note discussing disciminant associations and component associations? Or, would it be useful to keep this Note (if we do, are there any changes to it)? Should there be any other changes in the commentary for 17.26? If you are happy with this resolution, we will go ahead and send this to ASIS-Technical for their comment/concurrence. Clyde and Currie > I think, An_Array_Component_Association should be removed from > the Expected Association_Kinds list of > Asis.Expressions.Is_Defaulted_Association. An_Array_Component_Association > can never be in the normalized form, and it can never have > any default expression passed for an arrat component. By the > way, An_Array_Component_Association is not included in the > list of expected kinds for Asis.Expressions.Is_Normalized, so why > should it be included for Asis.Expressions.Is_Defaulted_Association? > > Another comment - probably, we also should remove from the list > of expected Association_Kinds for Asis.Expressions.Is_Defaulted_Association > A_Discriminant_Association and A_Record_Component_Association, > because they also can never have default expressions (even though > they can be normalized) From rybin@possum.srcc.msu.su Wed Dec 17 14:19:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from cs.ida.org by cronus.csed.ida.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA11493; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:19:12 -0500 Received: from crocus.gamma.ru (crocus.gamma.ru [193.124.255.1]) by cs.ida.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA02792 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from srcc.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by crocus.gamma.ru (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id WAA16817; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:20:08 +0300 (MSK) Received: by gamma.srcc.msu.su; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:19:36 +0300 Received: by possum.srcc.msu.su (UUPC/@ v5.09gamma, 14Mar93); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:15:26 +0300 To: roby@ida.org, rybin@alex.srcc.msu.su Cc: Colket@ACM.Org, SBlake@Aonix.Com References: <199712092123.QAA06624@cronus.csed.ida.org> Message-Id: Organization: Information Systems, SRCC, MSU From: "Sergey I. Rybin" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 21:15:26 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v.1.36] Subject: Re: Is_Defaulted_Association Expected kinds list Lines: 29 Content-Length: 1250 Status: OR > Sergey, > > To satisfy your issue, ASIS Issue #085 (included below), we > think the following changes should be made to the ASIS Specification: > > 1. In 17.26 Asis.Expression.Is_Defaulted_Association, > An_Array_Component_Association should be deleted from the list of > Expected Association_Kinds. > > 2. In 17.26 Asis.Expression.Is_Defaulted_Association, > A_Discriminant_Association and A_Record_Component_Association > should be deleted from the list of Expected Association_Kinds. > > If we do the above, then should we also delete the Note > discussing disciminant associations and component associations? Or, > would it be useful to keep this Note (if we do, are there any changes > to it)? Should there be any other changes in the commentary for > 17.26? I would keep this note without any changes in it. Probably, it might make sense to put it under '--|AN' sentinel and to move it a bit below - just under the "Expected Association_Kinds" list. > > If you are happy with this resolution, we will go ahead and > send this to ASIS-Technical for their comment/concurrence. Yes, I'm quite happy with this resolution - and awfully sorry for the delay with the reply :( From roby Wed Jan 7 17:30:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by cronus.csed.ida.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA17628; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:30:22 -0500 From: roby (Clyde Roby) Message-Id: <199801072230.RAA17628@cronus.csed.ida.org> Subject: Issue #085, Is_Defaulted_Association expected kinds list To: ASIS-Technical@SW-Eng.Falls-Church.Va.US (ASIS-Technical) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:30:21 -0500 (EST) Cc: roby (me), Colket@ACM.Org (Currie Colket), rybin@alex.srcc.msu.su (Rybin) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 929 Status: OR ASIS-Technical, In reference to Issue #085, Is_Defaulted_Association expected kinds list, (http://www.acm.org/sigada/wg/asiswg/issues/issue085.i), the attached solution is proposed. Please review this solution and identify any additional changes you think are necessary or any alternative solutions, and send them to ASIS-Technical. Clyde and Currie ------- PROPOSED RESOLUTION: 1. In 17.26 Asis.Expression.Is_Defaulted_Association, An_Array_Component_Association should be deleted from the list of Expected Association_Kinds. 2. In 17.26 Asis.Expression.Is_Defaulted_Association, A_Discriminant_Association and A_Record_Component_Association should be deleted from the list of Expected Association_Kinds. 3. In 17.26 Asis.Expression.Is_Defaulted_Association, the note should be flagged with the '--|AN' sentinel and moved to the end of the clause, under the "Expected Association_Kinds" list. -------